French and Russian Bullets Collided in Flight
Ukrainian treasure hunter have found a wonderful piece of history. Two bullets (one fired by a French soldier and one by a Russian, back in the 19th century) collided in flight and tinkered one into another. The chance of such collision is one of the billions. It’s easy to imagine how fierce the fight was. How dense should a fire be to make bullet hit bullet situation possible.
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I remember seeing in a musuem, two muskets where the bullet from each musket went into the barrel of the other. Also, pretty amazing
Okay, lets see…what do we have here….
1: Fantastic claim, unlikely to be true.
2: Pictures of smashed bullets.
3: That’s about it. Sorry, gotta call bullshit. No pics displaying shared strike patterns, no links to references or study data, no explanation of how 2 small hunks of hundred+ year old lead were found and the conclusion arrived at.Total fail.
A classic example of the fact that a very low probability implies that the event is not impossible. There is at least one other known example of colliding bullets. Ripley’s “Believe it Or Not!” reports a pair of fused bullets from the American Civil War.
Surely with the amount of bullets humans have fired at each other over time it’s more of a surprise it hasn’t happened more often?
Mythbusters tested out this theory based on the Civil War story, and determined that only absolute perfect timing and aim could cause this, they even had trouble getting the black powder rifles to fire in sync.
And the more firepower being put into the air only makes it more probable to occur, though not by much. This could possibly happen in any firefight
The Mythbusters did an episode about the Civil War mini-balls fusing and we actually able to recreate it. This is awesome that they found one that happened in real life.
considering how often people shoot at eachother, i’m surprised there aren’t more.
lol
this is actually not too rare. In Gallipoli, Turkey i have seen hundreds of air-collided bullets of any kind. Gallipoli witnessed one of the most fierce battles in mankinds history.
Only reason I know of Gallipoli is through Sabaton. Let the music tell the story.
Oh jeez guys i’m sorry for being such an asshole before. Forgive me this looks completely real.
Bill Vincent, your name means fail…
if you visited one of the museum in Canakkale in Turkey, those pictures would be ordinary to you
Weren’t France and Russia on the same side in WW1? Why would they shoot at each other…?
Hey Bill Vincent, your a dick and dont know what your talking about. It can happen and it is true. Obviously it can happen from Mythbusters doing it, TWICE!!
1:1.000.000.000?
So, that’s 2 infantrymen firing their share of bullets? Odds become 1:500.000.000?
With 500.000 soldiers fighting in the combined Franco-Russo armies? That’s 2 men firing 1000 bullets at each other? Reloading is 3 per minute? A five hour battle?
So, that’s 2 men firing at each other over a 5 hour battle in combined armies of France and Russia. Sounds plausible that this occurred at least once?
I bet these were the first battles to have this occur. The American Civil war was the next in terms of sheer lead in the air. It was bound to happen there. Gallipoli must have had this happen several times. Hard to avoid with automatic weapons. On D-Day it was guaranteed to occur?
The amazing part is not that these bullets fused, but someone found them 200+ years later!
This is ’shooped. I can tell from the pixels.
There are museums in Gettysburg,PA with dozens if not hundreds of fused bullets. So this is not a rare event at all. Much like the stories of men being saved by something carried in their pocket, like a diary or bible. In Vietnam I had a guy in my unit that was saved by a enemy round being stopped by a paper back book.
Improbable, Yes. Imposible, No. And not a “total fail” Bill Vincent - but that pessimism is.
they have two bullets that collided midair in the smithsonian museum of american history. It happens.
Sources please. Also, to alex above, Gallipoli was a site of a WWI battle, in which automatic weapons were used. The bullets above are from black powder rifles, which can only fire one shot and have a very lengthy reload time.
Greetings to all,
It’s a neat souvenir. About 28 years ago while living in Houston, I found a cannonball exploring in the woods half burried in the ground near the river right off of Old Galveston Road, and Monroe Blvd? It was named something else after crossing O.G.R. I can’t remember. It stuck out like a sore thumb in the woods. It was perfectly smooth on top, and pitted out where it had been in the earth. My mom made me give it away because she said it could be filled with gunpowder, and therefore unstable. I gave it to my best friend at the time, Warren G, Harding III, great-grandson of the late President Warren G. Harding. I suspect that it was from the battle of San Jacinto, but I am not positive of that.
In response to “Me”;
19th century = 1800s. World War 1 happened in the 1900s (20th century). I believe this is probably from the Napoleonic wars, though it could be the Crimean War or some other “smaller” conflict.
oh wounderous bullets, why should’st thou fuse?
is it to puzzle, perplex or bemuse?
improbable notions enharbour the cynic
a really crap poet would end this with kinnock
Id have to agree with Micah, bill vincent is a nob. Nice poem El Grogg
Bullshit card. This can’t happen EVER. Justification: it was a Russian bullet and a French bullet. France doesn’t know how to use a bullet.
Interesting sideline on the warring and ‘kick em when they’re down’ propensities of human nature: the attacks on Bill Vincent only started after he came clean and apologized. Pricks a plenty make for mashing bullets, methinks.
its really that much old i have seen 19 th century bullet but it was so big
Yayyy! Bill Vincent! You settled THAT! Yaayyy! You made the whole internet so afraid of spreading false information, we know they won’t ever post ANYTHING unless you verify it for everyone. Please allow us to contact you: please post your email address so we can get the truth from YOU before we lie again! Yaayyy!
or, no.
@El Grogg:
I think I love you.
who cares
ps Bill Vincent sux
This happens all the time in Devil May Cry 4
your mom is an illegal alien.
Also, Sara Palin is a scientific genius.
I want to beat the p*ss out of people when they say things like “oh, it’s photoshopped, i can tell by the pixels.” YOU HAVE NO F***ING CLUE! SHUT THE F**K UP!
@BBluba…..Bill Vincent didn’t apologize. It was ignorant sarcasm.
Why are some of you being mean to Bill Vincent? He apologized. Whatever happened to being nice?
The Gettysburg museum has several of these, as does many American civil war sites. Not common, just not as unexpected as you think. Some reasons for not common is that you have to find the bullets.
I personally think the chances of two bullets hitting each other are far more likely than 1 in a billion.
Look at it this way, people are firing at each other, generally in a battle field straight ahead at the guy shooting at them. They would be lying down or on 1 knees so bullets are firing directly at each other. They wouldn’t have to be fired at the same time just fired in time so the bullets meet in the air.
I think its a wonderful find, I bet there are more though.
Also what would be the point of faking it? what an odd thing to fake or even to think of faking.
I like to think that these bullets colliding saved the lives of both men (they were obviously on lethal trajectories). Both of these men were probably never aware of what happened.
Leave poor Bill Vincent alone. Allow his blissfull ignorance as we would a small child. We all grow up someday and have to face the real world. Poor Bill will find his time, in time. Until then let him live uninformed of the realities of life as they will come soon enough for poor Bill.
beth,
you are clearly a very fine woman with impeccable taste
These bullets are obviously in love.
Here are the facts:
Fact 1: Mythbusters may have proved and/or disproved that two bullets can meet midair. This in itself may be proof enough for some people that this did indeed occur. Other people might argue that mythbusters is a terrible show and that they structure their experiments in such a way that is designed to achieve a desired result. There are still others who believe that mythbusters is a secret government mind control program designed to change people’s brainwave patterns and to alter the very foundation of reality and thought due to the perhaps mistaken belief that people’s thoughts and opinions are the same thing as truth.
Fact 2: Mr. Vincent may have experienced a total fail, a partial fail, or perhaps just some misunderstood sarcasm- real or imagined. The incredible thing is not that someone disagreed with something that seems fantastic or highly unlikely but that so many people chastised him and commented on it.
Fact 3: Some events have a higher probability of happening than others. The probability that someone will say “This photo is obviously shopped,” is very high. This happens nearly everywhere on the internet where posting is possible. The probability that someone will comment on that comment is slightly less likely but still very probable. However, someone replying to an ‘IT’S OBVIOUSLY SHOPPED’ comment is still much more likely than someone posting a poem that includes reference to the man that may have failed. This poem, though unlikely, is far more likely than someone falling in love with the poet. But that is what happened. We have proof.
By a close examination of these facts we can conclude that Mr. Vincent probably failed, turkey is a scary ass place to live, Beth and El Grogg may someday find happiness in each others arms, and that nothing that I can write can top the previous comment by Lee.
Is this the same Bill Vincent who appeared in several Sam Raimi films, as Fake Shemp?
Probably not.
Disregard that, I’m wrong.
Yes, this is the one and only Bill Vincent that acted in such films. Finally someone has recognized my acting prowess!
No there were two Bill Vincents. Unfortunately they had a head-on collision on 1-25 and tinkered into one another.
What are the chances?
This is really awesome span… one in a billion
ME: the post says it was from a war that took place sometime in the 19th century (1800-1899), the WWI was from 1914 to 1918 (20th century).
Great! It makes sense that this took place in an era of gun fighting in which rifles could only discharge one shot at a time. It was a need to attain the best aimed shot… otherwise, you would have been worm chowder hehe.
Shit with all the gangbangers shooting at each other in L.A., you could probably finding a few of these laying around on Rosecrans blvd. Leave it up to the spicks and porch monkeys to f**k a up a perfectly beautiful city (and State, for that matter) But of course I will be condemned for saying that. Hard to be honest without the P.C. police jumping your sh*t. Sorry, I menat most of those f**king lowlife spics and n**gers, not ALL of them.
Hey T-man. I think its great how you made sure to blur out the bad words but not your ignorance, you toothless, hunchbacked, dumb, sonofabitch. I swear to Christ I hope someone shoots you in the balls just to make sure you don’t spawn more little useless downward spirals like yourself. I hate you.
OK I have a few problems with this. The bullets were not fired from a black powder gun. Bullets fired in black powder were only one shape that I know of and that was a round ball, a sphere. Those shown are clearly shaped ammo. with a flat base and then a point on the front end. I am not sure when smokeless powder was developed but it causes me to doubt the time element.
The fact that they struck each other is not at all surprising. I attended an autopsy of a man killed in a police shoot out and he was hit with 17 projectiles but only had 16 holes. It took a couple of hours to figure it out but it was because two projectiles had entered the same hole but from different directions. It was determined by the path of travel of each projectile.
why do they think it was French and Russian. could it not have been two guys dueling or something similar? Though you do not see all four sides it looks like the bullets are the same.
I’ve seen this kind of thing the world over. In Australia I saw 2 boomarangs fused together. In North Dakota I saw 2 arrows fused together. In Iraq I saw 2 shoes fused together. It happens all the time.
I forgot about the 2 blow darts fused together in New Guinea.
That doesn’t make sense I don’t even. All of this fighting and he doesn’t afraid of anything.
in the south of France they found two rocks fused together in a cave. Thrown by two battling cave men.
About the mythbusters episode that’s been mentioned a few times - they did conclude it was unbelievably unlikely, but that was in a one-on-one situation - it is one in billions that way. Battles involving thousands of soliders, particularly considering the strategy of holding fire for concentrated volleys, that’s a lot of firepower in the air at the same time. Thousands of soldiers taking hundreds of shots multiplied across dozens of battles, and it’s not terribly unexpected that a a bullet collision happened. In more modern wars, it becomes more and more likely as more firepower can be put downrange at the same time - WWI involved heavy machinegun fire between adjacent trench lines, WWII saw machineguns with higher rates of fire, as well as the advent of submachineguns and assault rifles. Almost all modern military weapons are capable of burst or full automatic fire.
Cool story bro.
I had this happen when playing 1 on 1 paintball a few years back, we got a couple of in-air collisions.
Something similar happened to me recently. I was on the toilet, shitting away merrily. Unbeknown to be, my next door neighbour was at the same time defecating with equal enthusiasm into her toilet. A few feet below us, the sewage pipes merged.
Astonishingly, two of our turds reached the join in the sewage points at the SAME TIME. The logs crashed into each other with such ferocity that the two turds MERGED and became one. The force of this event actually cracked the pipe and the hybrid log burst back up into the street.
Rushing outside, not even pausing to pull up my trousers, I recovered the chimera shit and now keep it on a silk pillow in my lounge, where I proudly display it to guests.
I have since started a relationship with my next door neighbour.
This is 100% true.
this is so obviously a shoop, I’ve seen many shoops in my time. you can tell by the pixels.
hey guys, i want to apologize for how I acted before…I guess that I did it because I like to seem smart…I know it sounds stupid but I love the feeling of people looking up to me. Like when women look up to me for my huge guns (if you want to see them E-mail me at mikebatshon@gmail.com) They love when I flex the bi’s and tri’s. Sometimes I put baby oil on them, the women love it.
Didn’t you all see that CR*P movie “Wanted”? This happened like 32 times in that movie.
I travel the world FISTing every Bill Vincent who dares cross my path
Maybe not head to head but I’ve recovered many dozens of melded bullet on bullet impacts from a full bore rifle range(7.62 NATO)in Australia where the steep trajectory ground entry point implys it was fired at six or seven hundred meters
I only wish both bullets had hit me and killed me. then my fake suicide attempt wouldn’t have happened. But, on the other paw, I love being a thief and a liar.
:)) the whole Bill Vincent thing here is funnier than the bullet article
shopped, pixels
Bill Vincent is innocent! Well. He’s only mildly involved. It’s the Kardashians really! Kim and her ample booty especially. Bullets are attracted to each other. It’s a well known fact that like objects seek out like objects. In a sub atomic way all bullets are slightly moving towards each other. And coins try to group too. We would do well to pay attention to these little sciences. It’s from them that mankind will disappear with a mighty wheeeeze!
To ME (way up there, closer to the top/middle)
The article says 19th century. WWI occured in the 20th century. (1914-1918)
Jesus christ who let the b out?
I broke the first rule, f**k you
@Me: “Weren’t France and Russia on the same side in WW1? Why would they shoot at each other…?”
These bullets are not from WWI. They;re likely from the Patriotic War of 1812, when Napoleon invaded Russian Empire.
shopped, i can tell by the pixels….ok, guy who got pissy about that…have you been on the internet before? once or twice? every pic/vid out there, more or less, has this as a comment. its not meant seriously that they think it was shopped…i mean, i kknow generally people writing on these sites are nice, kind, considerate, and completely honest people. but those who think its funny to say, shopped, i can tell by the pixels, just to say it and piss people like you off, well, they exist. its a sad truth. im so sorry to break it to you.
btw, that was totally shopped, i mean, look at those pixels! clearly shopped.
Hey guyz :p
I do not know if its fake or not.
I like the idea of the possibility of it though but if it is a fake the post was a very successfull troll (Y) KUDOS
>> HL971
“Mythbusters tested this…”
Your an idiot. Those two goofy asses had two guns, intentionally trying to impact bullets. OF COURSE THAT WOULD TAKE PRECISION! But get on a battlefield with hundreds of guns going off towards each other and it could happen by chance. It would be hard for them to have done it they were TRYING to, like the mythbusters, but it just happened you narrow minded dumbshit
I don’t have any figures that bear directly on this particular bullet find, but I do have some early wartime statistics that provide some sort of basis for forming a judgment.
In 1914, it was believe by both the German and French armies that the density of men would be decisive in battle so both fielded huge numbers in the battle of the Marne (the fist big engagement). The Germans fielded more than 2 million men and the French somewhere near 1 million. The rifles they used could fire around 6 to 10 shots per minute. (The British could fire 15 aimed shots per minute but there were only 100,000 men).
It’s not difficult to see that during the battle there would be hundreds of millions of bullets an hour shot across a relatively small front line, so a collision is not that unlikely.
Some year ago I picked up on the western front (and stll have in my possession an intact French 75mm shell case (not cartidge case) from which the nose fuse was missing. On the screw where the nose used to be is a deep gouge mark clearly made by a rifle bullet. I can only think that the shell was struck in flight by the bullet and dislodged the fuse, so the shell did not explode on impact.
Bill,you are fkn awesome dude. I LOVE your angle. Speaking of which,
If only this could be the fate of every bullet ever fired the world might be a better place.
@ Cheesy Bob
At the risk of encouraging you, I must tell you that I went into a laughter/coughing fit when reading your turd fusion bit. Good Lord. I was drinking coffee and I almost choked.
@tman
I’m neither Hispanic nor black, but I was deeply offended by your idiocy. You should not breed.
>>Pieter
ridiculous pipe dream. Not even worth saying, it’s so farfetched, not to mention cheesy.
>>anyone who is about to flame me for this
You agree with a statement so out of touch with reality it hurts. enjoy your fail and aids.
It was shopped. I can tell by the pixels.
Myth Busters TV show should try to re-create this. It seems a myth to me, like the bulls-eye arrow Robin Hood split with his arrow to win the fair maid.
This thread reminds me of a song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos
Ha Ah Ha Photo shopped!
Sorry — nobody had said it yet!
@ bogie211:
although spherical bullets were used in muzzle loaders a lot and for a long time, cylindrical bullets [w/ pointed fronts] predate cartridge ammo. more surface contact between bullet and barrel means a better seal for the propelling gasses and a better spin for the bullet hence longer and straighter flight. and look it up if you don’t believe it but they figured that out a long time before they started making cartridge ammo, [just before the civil war]
Sorry I was in a pissy mood before but I forgot to mention I also like to take it from behind from other dudes, if anyone’s interested.
I suggest all the skeptics check out the Gallipoli Penninsular War museum in Turkey. There are several examples on display of rounds striking rounds in flight.
@bogie211:
Google “Minie Ball”, black powder bullet, and probably what is shown in the pictures.
@Mitch:
I absolutely agree. Maybe a bullet fused with a white flag…
Okay.. reading the comments was more fun than the article (could it really be called an article??) itself.
Highly amusing, Cheesy Bob.
Bill Vincent, I think you’re officially a celeb now.
El Grogg.. that was moving.
glitch, that cracked me up.
It’s very tempting to say something cheeky about pixels but I shall refrain for the sanity of all those present. Have a splended day..
To the people that bite on the photoshopped comment. Don’t you know that those comments “. . . I can tell by the pixels.” is a slam on the people that say it is fake right away.
Wake up and learn when you are being played.
I’m not surprised. A case happened in the Los Angeles County Sheriffs, Temple City area some years ago wherein an off duty Deputy Sheriff got involved in a gun battle at the Bahooka Restaurant with an armed robber. The robber fired his .38 caliber pistol and the bullet went down the barrell of the Deputy’s .45 caliber semi-auto pistol, exploding the gun and blowing off some of his fingers. His off duty Deputy partner then shot and killed the gunman from behind.
These are perhaps the greatest comments ever. I just wanted to add my name to this piece of internet history. Also, if people believe that the existence of humanity is the product of random events, why is it so hard be believe a situation like this could happen? Personally I find it much easier to believe that a man rose from the dead than in evolution.
Well, I tried to apologize, I tried to tell you that I did it for the women, and I tried to tell you that I am smart and your not. All I have left is to tell you to stick it where the sun don’t shine and rotate. *runs off to cry in the corner*
Oh, I also forgot to say that I man the glory hole at the Big Boy on Thursday nights. See you there!
Clearly shooped.
Also, fuck Mythbusters and the retarded horse they rode in on.
Seriously, fuck those guys.
Most retarded, bullshit show ever.
God damn, I suck.
the people calling bullshit are the same fucks who ruined santa claus for us
That would be my luck. Shoot to kill and have my gun blow up in my hand. This is why my weapons of choice are biting sarcasm and hurled insults. Much less collateral damage.
I don’t see why everyone’s so skeptical of this. Yes, it’s an unlikely event, but it serves as a reminder for just how brutal war can be. The chances of this happening are remote, but in a heated war, there’s enough bullets flying around that it’s not as uncommon to find these as one would think.
@ Bill Vincent, Kurrus, and the people discussing them.
most people that post they think something is fake, do it because they don’t actually care about the picture/video/subject but they have some strange twisted juvenile sense of humor. when you get mad and say things like SLKH did:
“I want to beat the p*ss out of people when they say things like “oh, it’s photoshopped, i can tell by the pixels.” YOU HAVE NO F***ING CLUE! SHUT THE F**K UP!”
There usually laughing so hard they can barely sit still…
so next time just ignore those people, and maybe they will go away…
hey,
i can quite believe bullets would do this. these comments have hugely surpassed the article itself and dwarved its relevance.
Fucking hilarious, i actually read all the way through this, it was so funny. We all have to much time, particularly Bill Vincent who has made several contributions to the discussion. I imagine him sitting at home, checking this website every few hours, desperate to see which of his new friends are berating him now. Maybe he gets some sick thrill from the abuse he gets or simply derives energy from being hated, who knows.
booya
The fused bullets are amazing, yes, but not all that unusual–and by no means impossible. I’ve seen fused bullets and/or musket balls at Civil War Museums in Vicksburg and New Orleans. And black powder doesn’t rule this out: Combatants in the black powder area tended to be much closer to each other in free-fire volley situations than was the case in later wars. Also, even before automatic weapons, during fierce combat, there was a lot of lead in the air and simultaneous fire is more the rule than the exception in fire fights. Also, non-spherical shot has been used for a long time, including during the Napoleonic wars from which this artifact presumably dates.
Sorry, Bill: You fail.
Pretty cool.
lolololololOLOLOL
these comments are so much better than that picture
tbh i couldnt care less about the bullets coliding
although some God botherer has to try and get everyone to talk about his sh*t
“if people believe that the existence of humanity is the product of random events, why is it so hard be believe a situation like this could happen? Personally I find it much easier to believe that a man rose from the dead than in evolution.”
what so big beardy men in the sky is the cause of the love between two bullets
btw i also love El Grog
and i want his poems to keep in a box made from fused items
These can’t be French bullets, the French just dropped their guns, they didn’t fire them
haha makes me think of all the Believers in god…. Lets Hypothisize how many times this hapt… HAHAHA
One in a billion HAHAHA…
Thre is one in the Smithsonian from the civil war
This truly is a piece of Internet history. Check out tinyurl dot com slash BillVincentIsADickheadAndSucks
Deducible flights, toll nil.
a comment on ‘bullets collided in flight.’ also an anagram of it.
and off he goes, back into the night…
Not photoshopped much?
aha, awh man. The impeccable pixels in those pictures yearn to be disproved. Billvincent you are my hero. El Grogg and beth shall tell this story to their grandkids some day.
Well now I know why this is on stumble.
Very interesting article.
Even better comments.
Right now I wish we were all having this conversation in real life, faces to faces, so we can pick out the bull sht and see how many different Bill Vincents there has been.
@ Bullpenman, this is not internet history. Fail.
@ El Grogg and Beth, kudos
@ Mitch, lol
@ Lee and Glitch, great posts
@ shoopexpert, you’re an effing noob
@ Cheesy Bob, lol
and @ tman F*ck you
Bill Vincent is so stupid. He thinks he’s all cool with his claims of fake claims. I wish people like him would stfu.
Great pictures btw.
Stumbled.
Ok, with an infinite number of monkeys firing an infinite number of guns at each other, eventually they will blow enough holes in each other to spell out the complete works of Shakespeare.
With all the monkeys firing guns, it’s a statistical possibility that it would happen, therefore anyone denying it’s possibility is denying reality.
This being the internet, assume everything is fake, everyone is a single white 35 year old pedo male in their parents basement, and everyone claiming to be a child is an FBI agent.
But I believe it is probable that this has happened more times than we have discovered, and even if this is a fake instance, that only means the person showing it off is fail.
Don’t lie to make friends, mat.
I thought this was a “when you see it, you’ll shit bricks” picture for the first five minutes.
I was gonna point out the two orange buttons in the background.
>> I was gonna point out the two orange buttons in the background.
This is just a calculator.
OH, it is?
Yeah, totally photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels.
I think you all need to turn off your computers and go outside to have real interactions, with real people. Get a life you losers.
It’s from sometime after the napoleonic wars - at least one of those is a minie bullet, rather than a standard lead ball of the early 19th century.
Almost certainly crimean, as it’s the only time Russian and France have fought directly since the introduction of the ordinance (in fact, it was one of the first wars the Minie was used in).
And it’s certainly possible. Unlikely, yes - but not ridiculously so.
Bill Vincent, is that you? We really need to talk… the Sheriff has been looking for you but hasn’t been able to find you.
Who is supposed to feed the babies, Bill? WHO!?!
This kind of thing is common enough that they have several examples at each of the museums of the battle fields of the american civil war. Try Anatiem or Gettysburg.
The real problem is finding such in all the bullets fired and left in the earth.
‘Otterly possible